In this conversation, Sean Martin and Joel Surber discuss the process of getting paid as a lawyer and how to avoid having to sue clients for unpaid fees. They emphasize the importance of establishing clear expectations of payment in the legal representation agreement and addressing any payment issues as soon as they arise. They also discuss the potential consequences of not getting paid, such as damage to reputation and malpractice suits. They suggest using less drastic alternatives, such as sending letters and negotiating payment arrangements, before resorting to legal action. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of balancing the need to get paid with maintaining good client relationships.